Some Comparisons of the 1955, the 2002,
& Chrysler's TC by Maserati
from road tests1
Why the Chrysler's TC by Maserati?
1 - After looking at all the other convertibles on the market, the Thunderbird
is in a class by itself in today's market, so went back in time to
find cars to compare it to. The closest is Chrysler's TC by Maserati
and you will see the similarities below. I would consider the TC
a little more luxurious than the Thunderbird & was in the same price
range when new, a sleeper that was buried by bad press but now is enjoying
a growing recognition for what it really is. Those who have encountered
this car, not knowing it's press history, have fallen in love with the
car at first sight. Because of it's rarity (only 7200 made),
it's only draw back now is parts availabilty. Though it shared many
parts with other Chryslers of the time period, it had many unique parts,
same as the Thunderbird.
2 - We own two of the them - both '89's, a manual (rare) & the
automatic version
3 -
Keep in mind that many of these figures are not absolute - they can
vary with the individual car
Went to MSN's Carpoint.com
and used their comparison program for the new Thunderbird. --- So quick
and easy to compare with another car. They have it set up now for
comparing it with the SAAB9-3, Mercedes-Benz SL class, Jaguar XK, and Mercedes-
Benz CLK. or you may pick any other car in their listings Since they
have done such a good job (didn't have speed figures but everything else),
I won't be adding anymore cars to this page.
One correction to note on their page --- they listed the Thunderbird
as not having side impact airbags BUT the Thunderbird DOES have the side
impact airbags. Their info on the Chrysler TC is also faulty in some
areas so will leave that as is below.
For a Drive report of the new Thunderbird
by a Chrysler TC owner from California, Stephen Lyons, see bottom of page
The Road Tests
. |
1955***
|
2002 |
1989 TC* |
0-60 mph, sec |
10.4 |
7.04**** |
7.49**** |
1/4-mile, sec/mph |
17.1 / 78 |
15.28 / 92.0 |
15.93 / 92.4 |
Braking, 60-0 mph, ft |
na |
123 |
137 |
Braking, 100-0 mph, ft |
na |
356 ** |
na |
0-100-0 mph, sec |
na |
23.7 |
na |
skidpad, g |
na |
0.80 |
.78 |
600 ft slalom |
na |
61.9 |
59.25 |
Turning circle, ft |
36 |
37.5 |
36.1 |
Gas consumption, mpg |
15/18 |
17 / 23 |
21./ 28 |
* as tested on the 16V TC by Motor Trend, April
1989 (only test I had available)
**more than a football field - think about
it. How fast do you really want to go
***tests just weren't conducted the same
back then - few comparable figures available - 10.4 sec for the 0-60 is
accurate - a friend tests theirs every year at an 1/ 8th mile drag race
track. - takes about 11 sec to do the run with an average speed of 66 mph
at the end.
****probably more speed than you will ever
need.
Comparison of Dimensions
. |
1955
|
2002
|
1989 TC |
Body Style |
2-door conv. |
2-door conv. |
2-door conv. |
Wheelbase, in |
102 |
107.2 |
93.3 |
Length, in |
175.3 |
186.3 |
175.8 |
Width, in |
70.2 |
72.0 |
68.5 |
Height, in |
52.2 |
52.1 |
51.9 |
Curb weight* |
2837-3200 |
3775 |
3085 |
Seating capacity |
3** |
2 |
2 |
Cargo Capacity, cu ft |
18.8 *** |
6.9 |
13.6 |
Fuel Capacity, gal. |
14.0 |
18.0 |
14.0 |
Weight Capacity |
|
453 lbs |
|
*55- 2 different weights reported - depended
on magazine; 2002 - with convertible top only; TC - unknown if that was
with or without hardtop - I've seen a 3200# figure for the TC in another
magazine.
**55 has a bench type seat that allows
a 3rd person to sit in the middle, though some what uncomfortably since
the early Thunderbirds had floor shifts, unlike the mainline Fords of the
day which were column shift. Seatbelts weren't even offered that
year.
*** based on dimensions of 58.2in x 34.8in
x 16.1in.2 Comment:
Figure should be adjusted by taking out spare tire measurements but I do
not have those figures. I have always considered the '55 trunk as barely
enough room for traveling and look how much more room it has than the new
Thunderbird - a car which we plan to travel in. I would readily give
up the power top to make more room for storage. The TC has
a nice size trunk & I think the 55 is slightly smaller than it with
spare tire in trunk.
Drivetrain & Chassis
. |
1955 |
2002 |
1989 TC* |
Drivetrain |
front engine, RWD |
Front engine, RWD |
Front engine, FWD |
Engine |
8 cyl, 8 V, cast iron Y-block & heads; overhead valves |
V-8, DOHC, 32 valves, aluminum block & heads |
4cyl, inline 16V turbo.DOHC
aluminum |
Displacement, ci/L |
292 / 4.8L |
241.9 / 3.9L |
135 / 2.2L |
Horsepower @rpm |
198 @ 4400** |
252 @ 6100 |
200 @ 5,500 |
Torque @ rpm |
286 @ 2500 |
267@ 4300 |
220 @ 3,400 |
Transmission(s) |
3-speed manual - standard
3-speed overdrive, opt.
3-speed automatic, opt.(but the norm) |
5-speed automatic |
5-speed manual* |
Steering |
Manual - standard
Power assist - opt (but the norm) |
Rack & Pinion; power assist |
Rack & Pinion, power assist |
Suspension |
coil springs, front
leaf springs, rear |
upper & lower control arms;coil springs, anti roll bars - front
& rear |
front: struts, anti roll bar, coil springs
rear: beam axle, coil springs |
Brakes |
power assist, drums . |
4 wheel disk ABS |
4 wheel disk; ABS |
Wheels |
15x 5 steel |
17x7.5, cast aluminum |
15x6 cast aluminum |
Tires |
670x15 4-ply tubeless |
P235 / 50VR 17 Michelin radials |
P205 / 60VR 15 Michelin radials |
Spare |
same size tire & wheels |
Steel wheel with tire: T185 / 60R 17 |
Steel mini wheel with tire |
Traction Control |
no |
yes (optional) |
no |
*The TC also came with a 4 cyl, 8V turbo engine,
automatic for 89 but road test was made on a 16V engine
**Stats for the 292 equipped with an automatic
The Luxury Appointments
. |
1955 |
2002 |
1989 |
Costs when new |
app 2700-3800 |
35,500 - 42,000 |
30,000 Plus* |
Costs currently |
20,000 - 40,000 |
35,500 - 42,000** |
8,000 - 15,000 |
Interior |
Vinyl upholstery & dash, & doors; |
Leather upholstery,
? |
Leather upholstery, dash, & doors; |
Carpeted Floors |
yes |
yes |
yes |
Floor Mats |
no |
yes |
yes - with emblem |
Radio |
AM T&C |
AM,/FM, 6 CD Changer |
AM/FM, cassette tape & opt CD player |
Speakers |
1 |
8 |
8 |
Seats |
Manual
Power (opt) |
Power |
Power |
Seat Belts/shoulder harness |
no |
yes |
yes |
Airbag(s) |
no |
driver & passenger plus side bags |
no |
Windows |
Manual
Power (opt) |
Power |
Power |
Sun Visors |
no |
yes |
yes |
Vanity Mirror(s) |
no |
yes, not lighted |
yes, lighted |
Steering Wheel |
Telescoping |
Tilt, telescoping |
Tilt |
Cruise Control |
no |
yes |
yes |
Air Conditioning |
no |
yes, dual controls |
yes, single controls |
Tachometer |
yes |
yes |
yes |
Convertible Top |
Manual (opt)*** |
Power |
Manual |
Convertible Top lined |
no |
yes |
yes |
Window on soft top |
clear plastic |
glass |
glass |
Soft top storage |
Folded & hidden behind seat - no visible tonneau cover |
Well with semi soft tonneau cover; visible |
Well with metal cover permanently attached; powered & trimmed to
lines of car |
Hardtop |
Non-porthole (opt)*** |
Porthole (opt) |
Porthole |
Rear Window Defroster |
no |
yes on both tops |
yes on hard top
no on soft top |
Hardtop rack |
no |
yes |
yes (opt) |
Colors |
Black, Red, T'Blue, White, Yellow |
Black, Red, T'Blue, White, Yellow |
Red, Cabernet, Yellow |
Interior Colors |
2-tone |
All Black or 2-tone |
Ginger or Burgandy |
Door Locks |
key |
Power / key |
Power / key |
Remote trunk release |
no |
yes |
yes |
Trunk light |
no |
yes |
yes |
Engine Compartment light |
no |
? |
yes |
Remote Gas Flap Release |
no |
no |
yes |
Windshield Wipers |
mechanical, vacuum operated |
Electric, speed sensitive |
Electric |
* Plus $5000 Over MSRP on this car. by
90, dealer prices had climbed to $40.000 in the Seattle area.
**That's MSRP range including the sold
out Neiman Marcus edition; Some Ford dealers (but not all) are charging
over MSRP so check around for your best deal.
*** The 1955 price included one or the
other top - there was an optional tonneau cover that covered the cockpit
area for those that only had a hardtop..
B.T.W. - The TC is a great cruiser, only detriment we have found is
a lot of wind in the cockpit with top down, but our seats are all the way
back (long legs - tall bodies). Ride is really comfortable,
great for long distance. Very responsive when asked. The 55 tbird has the
same type of wind characteristics; seats are not as comfortable but it
still handles long distance travel well and power is there when asked.
Road
Test Observations by Stephen Lyons3:
July 19, 2001
I got a chance to drive the 2002 Thunderbird today. This was a
manufacturer's sample, not calibrated or built to the required emissions
standards, but representative in every other respect to the production
examples soon to be sitting in your local Ford dealers' showrooms.
First, getting into the car. If you think the window sill line
of the TC
is low, wait until you try this! It takes a serious & deliberate
duck or
you will be meeting your new ride in a most unpleasant & attention
getting
fashion!
Once inside, the interior is roomy enough. The leather upholstered
seats
are not especially cushy, as is the current vogue, but surprisingly
comfortable. Other interior materials seem to be of pretty high
quality,
but I did spot some plastic that may or may not weather well, as proved
to
be a bane with the early Cadillac Allante'. Center armrest is
chintzy,
only one of you will be able to use it at a time, & the compartment
underneath will hold a cell phone but not much more. Very cool
steering
wheel, partly a smooth, lustrous black plastic that harkens back to
the
Bird's 50's roots, the other portions being leather wrapped.
Power
tilt/telescope via a toggle on the steering column, & as a very
trick
feature, the wheel goes automatically to the full in/up position when
the
ignition is switched off to facilitate egress. Kind of wish Ford
had seen
fit to put the ignition switch on the dash instead of the column, though.
The slightly off-white faced instruments are attractive enough, but
as is
so often the case nowadays, no voltmeter or oil pressure gauge is provided
or even available.
Driving the car is a reasonably enjoyable enough experience. Some
creaks &
rattles even on smooth roadways & with the hardtop on to stiffen
things up.
Not as many as with my TC's (much of which can be attributed to leather
rubbing against leather), but this Bird is brand new, too, so a more
meaningful comparison might be made when they have some tens of thousands
of miles on them, also. The V-8 is very smooth, & the car
doesn't feel as
punchy or fast as my Turbo-II's, especially in the mid-range, although
I'm
sure it is the quicker car by far. But it's a more disconnected
sort of
performance that's somehow a bit less satisfying. The five speed
automatic
transmission had a tendency to go gear hunting every once in a while,
which
may be just a quirk of this particular example, however. Another
aggravation that is becoming endemic in present-day cars is the excessive
tire noise coming from the low profile rubber. The stereo is
excellent,
with it being very difficult to pick up where the speakers are; the
cabin
just seems to fill up with music.
While I didn't take the top off, it looks to be a chore on a par with
the
same process on the TC. The resulting gap in back is not taken
care of by
an integral tonneau as with our cars, but must be taken care of with
a
snap-on cover that didn't impress me very much as to its appearance.
I
would bet that someone very quickly is going to come up with a fiberglass
tonneau that will rise up to meet the backs of the seats, a la' the
early
1960's T-bird Roadsters. Seems like a natural to me.
The engine compartment is very tidy, but not at all friendly to casual
tinkering as everything is shielded by expanses of plastic sheeting.
The
battery is located in the trunk, which is finished in the typical FoMoCo
gray fuzz that is good enough for Mustangs & Tauruses. Ford
might've done
better there to match the otherwise upscale flavor of this vehicle.
But all in all, a very attractive product that will undoubtedly sell
like
$40K+ hotcakes.
Stephen Lyons
TC America Member |
As always, when facts are stated, a source should be identified (and
these make good reading), so:
Above info can be found in
1 - Motor
Trend, July, 2001, pages 36-46
Motor Trend, April 1989, pages120-125
- Tested the 16Valve engine
Auto Age, May, 1955 / Motor Trend Buyers
Guide, March 1955 / Road & Track, March 1955
I tried to use the same Magazine for all tests but for the 55, I had
to compile several magazines
2 - Ray Miller's Thunderbird, An illustrated history of the
Ford T-bird ©1973 (still
in print)
the Early Bird magazine - a bi-monthly
member publication of CTCI since 1966
Thunderbird, An Odyssey in Automotive Design
by William Boyer, ©1986
Soaring Spirit, Thirty-Five Years of the Ford
Thunderbird by John Katz,©1989
and for new facts on the new Thunderbird:
Thunderbird 2002 by Michael Lamm ©2000
for information & photos on the Chrysler
TC by Maserati, visit George's TC
3 - Used with permisssion from Stephen
Lyons |
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